Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Paul: You see? You see. If you want to limit yourself to what you see, you'll never be happy.
You never see in enough.
But Jesus, sweet Jesus, said, happy is he who believes before he sees.
[00:00:31] Thomas: Hello, and welcome to the well, an Elim Fellowship Leadership Podcast. My name is Thomas and I am excited that you are joining us today as we hear a powerful word from Elim royalty, the one and only Brother Paul Johansen.
Today we are excited to bring you part one of two of Brother Paul's message from day two of the 2025 Oasis Conference as he walks through the five types of prophetic realms that we find in our lives today.
I pray that you are blessed by what Brother Paul has to say. So join us as we seek to open prophetic wealth in our lives, in our churches and in the world today. Enjoy.
[00:01:10] Paul: Thank you, Phil. And don't blame me for everything, Bill. Don't blame me for everything.
You may be seated.
The grace of God is with us.
Is with us.
I don't know why sometimes we don't listen to God. We listen to everybody else.
My wife always said, honey, you know you're different because you color outside the lines. And I said, no, I have to draw the lines.
I color inside my own lines.
Because people tell me all the time, you can't do that.
You can't get that building. You can't do the other. And that's just people talking.
That's just the voice of man.
And if you've heard the voice of God and are willing to pour yourself into it, I'm following after the wonderful word that Pastor Eric just gave us.
Let me get this up here a little bit here first.
We'll be able to do exceeding abundantly above everybody's thinking.
I hope it's not your thinking.
You're thinking, big in God.
Always big in God. Right now, my wife and I are five years older than Caleb was when he said that statement.
I hate to say that now. I hate to say that.
I told my wife, I'm not going to say our age. I'm not going to talk about our age.
Honey, stand. Honey, you did it, hon. You did it.
You did it all over.
And my son and his wife Mary are here. We live down near them in Virginia. They drove us up. And they're here, part of Elim Fellowship, overseeing some churches down in our area.
If you're all in for God, you hold on to the seat and let God drive.
There's many backseat drivers. My wife said she has a backseat driver's license and she does. She Got one. She bought one, yeah.
There are people like her in the world that even though they're not driving, they're driving from the back seat.
But if God is driving.
I was in Nairobi, and we were believing God for great things. We were preaching.
And it was a time of the end of MAU MAU.
People were coming out of the forest at that time that had rebelled against the government. It was a very tense. A very tense time, especially between whites and blacks. And I thought it was an absolute opportune time to go do something.
And we had been in Kenya for three years, so that gave us a chance to learn the language.
So we went to Nairobi and we began to preach right on the street and get it moving by the grace of God.
And we saw miracles.
Because if you don't step out in God, you'll never see a miracle.
And I want to tell you now that anything you do for God somewhere in the journey requires a miracle.
If you have no miracle, some way in what you're doing for God, you can claim the whole thing. You did it all yourself. You can sing I Did It My Way, but when you have a miracle, you sing I Did it his. His Way.
His Way.
Elim being the oasis that it is all these years.
We came here in 1953 and before some of you were born, and we were able to walk with our brothers there. We've had ups and downs.
There's been tensions. There's been things along the way. But when you walk with brothers, you begin to stay close, be honest, and work things out rather than run out. 12 wells of water is what Elim was, according to the Bible.
And the fact is that you can live about three days without water, and after that, you're dead.
You're not able to function.
And it's a great need. We need to have something.
We went out there. We lived off the grid.
Off the grid. I'm from New York.
We don't even know what the grid is, but we were out there. It means that the toilets were outside somewhere.
I had a very good dog. I trained to go out and check there was no snakes on the way. Walking to the toilet. I mean that, you know, I'm getting down to the basic tax now and being off the grid.
You cook on a stove.
Wood. Wood stove. And all these things going on.
And our water came from our roof.
The roof has the water.
And the missionaries before others that had been there earlier had built tanks.
Tanks alongside. I would say the tanks were about 7ft high and about 10ft wide.
Maybe 12, I don't know, wide. Could hold, I'm sure well over 1000, maybe 1500 gallons, maybe 2000.
And that's where we lived. That was our water supply.
And in case you ever have that problem, in order to keep the bugs from laying eggs on that water, it's all exposed, we poured kerosene on it.
And kerosene floats on the top and protects the water. I mean, just put this away in your notebook in case you ever have to live off the grid, okay? And the Bible tells us that some people try to live by cisterns or tanks.
But Elim is a well, and it's a place like this that we learn to be challenged to do our own well. So I want to take just a few moments here.
I got three main points, but I got two in between, and I got 100 stories.
When you're young in the ministry, you have 10 scriptures and three stories.
When you're old.
Tell me about it.
You got all kinds of stories.
Father, help us today to recognize the genuineness of your Holy spirit.
This is not some phony thing.
This is not some artificial inflation in our egos.
This is knowing you, interacting with God Almighty.
The world has no idea what we're talking about, but that's okay.
You know who we are, and we know who you are, and we're learning who you are.
I ask you to bless all that are here in Jesus name.
I'm so happy to have my African friends here from Kenya.
Hallelujah. They're great guys and the other missionaries that are here.
And so my thoughts today are to take you on a short journey to the very thing we're talking about. Opening the wells.
Opening wells.
And so the scripture is going to be. First of all, let me see what I got on the overhead here. Opening the wells. Okay, let's move on. Not waste our time on the early things here. Move right on here.
You guys got. Is there a fast beat to that thing? Okay, okay, okay. Those there. Now we're up to the. Okay. Here we are.
Okay.
Holy Ghost, reveal everything in between.
When I was in Nairobi, I said the people were coming. And I said, lord, tell me, you know, we need a property. And everybody there said, it's impossible. The government cannot give you property.
No missions are given property. No, you can't get it.
Not to missions or churches.
Free property.
And I said, you know, you got to go higher. You got to go higher than the government.
Go higher.
Hallelujah.
You're all so limited in your vision, the government said, no, what Did God say, remember, it's going to cost you your life.
You're not going to get out of here easy?
Eric said it very, very well.
And I knelt down when the Lord said, you keep a plan. And ultimately we got land. Free, free land. Nobody got it but us here are white people. Well, I'm with my African brethren, of course. We always with them, never move without them, and they gave us land.
So I was kneeling down on a chair, because kneeling is very spiritual.
And I put a piece of paper like this right in front of me, a piece of eight and a half by 11 right in front of me. And I said, lord, here it is.
And I drew a long line like that and made a rectangle.
Okay, there's the church, Lord. And I said, now I'm going to add a little side room on it, a little side room on that.
And I said, now, Lord, from your position, that church will look like a cross laying on the ground.
You can't get more spiritual than that.
Now listen to me.
The Holy Ghost rebuked me so bad and said, who are you to tell me what kind of church I will build?
There's your problem. I got a few little lessons along the way here.
When you try to dictate to God according to your faith, according to your money. I tell people, if you have $100,000, and you say, we can't do this. We got. You're already losing because your money has given a ceiling of what you have. That money limits your faith.
It's better to have no money because now it's all God.
And God's happy with that. When it's all about him and his supply. It's not your five cents, it's all him from beginning to end. It's all God.
So go with me right now before I get tied up too many times here. I gotta watch the time here.
And I want to talk about five wells. And they're in the book. You see the first one right here. Right here. Genesis 16.
In Genesis 16, do we have the scripture? There it is. Now. Now, in this ver. In this. In this verse is Hagar has been kicked out. Not by her, not her fault. It's not her fault. It's something that happened in Abraham's house. And he had a little conflict with his wife Sarah. And before you know it, Hagar was out on her ear.
By herself.
No nothing. No, thank you. No nothing. And. But she has in her the seed of a whole new nation. But she's kicked out of the house, and she's crying out to God in a very personal way.
And I want you to see that this first well is super personal with you and God.
I've returned to that well many times in my life and knelt down before God and said, God, where are you?
This is this well right here, huh? It says it right here. It's the well of Lahore.
Nobody sees me. No one cares. It's not my fault.
All that. All those things are true.
But God knows more than you know and he knows more people than you know and he has more money than you know about. All of these things are God's. So you're going to have to accept it in your life that you are either going to be led by God or the winds of change or culture or misunderstanding going to drive you off course.
So I took that paper that I wrote that then I wrote and threw it. I said, lord, never again will I dictate to you what kind of church you can build.
And then the Lord gave us the property and we built a church that would hold over a thousand. Well, over a thousand, maybe fifteen hundred. And it's been very well. And from that many other churches. But the greatest gift was the gift of a man that became my brother.
Pastor Samuel.
He's gone.
We walked together and when I left, there was no change in anything. It all went on because we walked in the same spirit all the way through.
Him and his wife had no children, but they adopted four from off the street, babies thrown away.
And one of the children, Wanja, came to America and I helped her get into another college. She wanted to go and she didn't make it there. So she went to another place and she lives in Maryland.
And about a year ago she got married. About two years ago, but a year ago she married a Spanish guy and they're very happy, but they had a child.
They named him Zion.
And she called me and she said, this is my parents first grandchild from me here in the States.
And my father's gone and you are the closest person my father had.
Would you dedicate my baby?
You see, when God joins your heart and links you, it has nothing to do with missions. It has to do with a welding of the Holy Spirit in your life that joins you to a people, to a people.
So I was there to dedicate her child. In fact, Samuel's wife Mary flew from Africa for that dedication, much loved by my wife and the others. So the first well I want you to see is the well of affirmation.
Personal. Yes, I see you. It's the Work, that word means. The word lahoroi means my God sees me. In other words, God's saying, I got this, I got you. I know what's happening. I know it wasn't all your fault, but this thing's happening. But I will make a great nation out of it. But one way it will happen.
You'll have to return and submit.
Nobody likes those words.
No one likes those words.
I want to do my own thing.
Some of the times that I've walked with Elim since 19. I was ordained in 1957. My wife and I were.
And I know the good times and the bad times.
I know the times of pressure, times of different things. And there was one time we had a great disagreement had to do with mission, how missionaries worked on the field and so on.
And I was really one inch from leaving because they wouldn't hear that I was one that said, you have to impart to the nationals. You can't take a colonial mentality. You must have national.
There was a big difference.
And I was going to school, working on my master's at the time degree, which I have in African studies because I have that affinity for those wonderful people.
And I stopped, I took off one day and I said, meet with the elders. And the elders we had a knockdown, drag out because it didn't make any difference to me anymore.
The work over there had to be guarded.
That has stayed in national hands.
Can't be usurped to a missionary.
And I was ready to leave. And that night I went to bed and prayed. And I said, lord, you have to show me because I'm on the edge.
These are the times that you have the personal well, this is a personal well. Don't talk to anybody.
Don't go and talk to all your brothers. What do you think? It's not what they think anyway.
It's what he says to you that will pay off in the end.
In the end, it'll pay off.
This is the well of affirmation. This is the well of God saying, I got this, I got you. I see you. I know what you're going through there. In my.
Late at night, the Lord spoke to me, if you go back and submit, I will open up not just Kenya, I'll open up Africa for you.
I said, lord, I don't know what to choose.
I know Kenya, I love it.
You know, nearly 11, 10, 11 years in Kenya, but Africa.
And the Holy Spirit said, choose Africa.
So I went back and I told the brother, I give up. It's yours. God will do What God wants to do, and I'm with you. We're there. But they said, well, you'll have to go out there and tell the brethren.
I said, I'll do whatever you ask me to do.
Whatever.
But in the end, I know it's between me and God.
Thank God for all the brethren. But in the end, it's about you and God.
It's the hagar. Well, between you and God, you have a certain thing conceived in you that God wants to bring out. And if certain people don't want it, it's okay.
Hold steady in God and keep your spirit right. Otherwise you'll burn up with bitterness.
And so I went back and I said, okay. And ultimately the brother said, well, you know, there's a lot of problems out there. So I flew back out to Kenya and I told the brothers, listen, lay down the axe. Lay down the guns. They said, brother Johansen, you know, you didn't teach. You taught us to fight. I said, no, lay it all down. Lay it all down.
And because they were fighting for their own identity and laid it down. If you fight, I'm not in the fight.
And I came back, and it's amazing to me, because I was taking a course in African studies and taking history at the bachelor's level. But then suddenly I went and I found Brockport University, New York State. Brockport was running an African studies program.
I went over there. They said, it's not approved by the state of New York. I said, it's okay. It will be approved.
It would be approved.
And I talked to the main people, and they said, you know, we don't want many people in this. I said, okay, I'll see you then. I'll see you then.
So they started. I'm the first one to graduate from that school with a master's degree in African Studies.
Because they didn't have the course before in that area. They had it in other nations, Western Civ and so on, but not in African Studies.
And it was the grace of God. And from that, I had been in every nation, all over Africa. I've been everywhere, and it's been a miracle to see Africa's. You say Africa. You all think, oh, it's one. It's a monolith. One thing. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're talking about nations that are totally different from each other. They think different, they act different. They eat different, all of them. But you sit here as Americans, and we sit here. Oh, you know, that's Africa. Don't talk like that.
That's Kenya, that's South Africa. And each nation is facing its own turmoil. South Africa, the same. Kenya's gone through turmoil. Nigeria went through major turmoil. All of these nations that we had to look into. And I went and asked. I said to them at the university, I said, I want to get in that course. And so they said, okay, what do you want to study? I want African studies. Okay, here's a paper. They said, here's a paper. Tell us what you want to study.
I like those people.
So I wrote ancient African history. I wrote African and American history. I wrote East African American, West African, South African. I wrote. I mean, I wrote all of these things until I had five major courses in that Masters. And they took like that. Okay. If you do that, you graduate.
So I was really.
I went to the right school, but I would not go there.
I know this is telling you too much, my heart.
Except all the teachers were African.
I wasn't going as a European, as an American. I wasn't going to a school and have another American. Tell me what. I've already lived it.
So I heard Africa in many ways.
And I won't go into. I got their view on slavery. I got all these things, and it's different than many people understand.
But anyway, I came because I laid it all down before God in that night season. And I said, okay, Lord, I'm desperate for you, because when you.
Where's my thing? Up here, okay. And when you get. When you go there, okay. God is not forgotten.
Out of control.
She went from conflict to comfort, from desperation to discovery.
That's what brings you to a point where you're willing to listen.
You're down at the bottom.
I can't. Here's Hagar. And you have to kneel down sometime in your house and get on your knees and on your face and lay down alongside of Hagar and say, it's not fair.
Are you with me?
Don't hold it in. God can handle any of your grief. He can handle you.
He handled me.
Don't try to placate God with niceties.
It doesn't work with God. It doesn't work with God.
So, number one, the well of Lahorai, which is my God, sees me out of rejection, out of despair.
And I got to say this. This is your personal well. If you don't have this well, get out of the ministry.
Oh, the ministry is my well. Oh, you're wasting your time.
Some of the water in that well is bitter.
You don't. You don't want to drink. I mean, you have to drink from that well. But you find your life right over there with Hagar.
Be numbered with Hagar in her desperate hour and say, God, help me, open the door.
These are things that happen. When we first got married, we went to a little church down in Pennsylvania and we washed our clothes with a plunger in the tub. That's how we washed our clothes. So don't tell me you can't make it.
If you don't can't make it, I'll sell you a plunger.
My precious wife down there. Mark was born down in Pennsylvania.
So many reasons why you can't do it.
Why don't you think about reasons you can do it and the place where you think you can't be one. Give it to God and he'll open the door. Because the Red Sea is not opening and the Jordan river is not opening until you put some feet in it.
And if you're afraid that your new shoes are going to get wet, then you better change the shoes.
This is what it takes. All in.
I am all in.
All in.
Whatever God wants.
When I was president of Elim for 12 years.
At the end, I retired at 70.
And I said, now it's my time.
I don't know how old you are.
And at 70, I traveled to every nation in the world.
I've been everywhere.
I didn't raise any money from anybody. I didn't write you get any money. God takes care of that. If it's his will, he pays the bill.
And you have to be sure it's his will.
I get that. Get that. Don't quote that sometime because you can get in trouble. You're assuming God is with it.
And if God's not with it, you got big debts. When you get done.
Now you're blaming God for debt.
No, no, no. Tell God I screwed up. I messed up. Go back to the well. Lahoroi. And with Hagar fall on your face and say, God, things are not right. And I take the blame.
Are you.
Where's my time here? Before I go too long, I got to be careful.
So Hagar went from desperation to discovery.
Now we move on to another well.
You're going to find it in Genesis, and it's going to be in Genesis 25. 25. Put that one on. Thank you. Right there.
And there was much understanding and conflict in Abraham's servants, Abimelech. And they went over another one. And Bathsheba means well of covenant and agreement.
And Abraham bought. Abraham bought that. Well, with a little misunderstanding, he bought it with Seven lambs.
He sacrificed seven lambs to buy that.
Nothing is free.
Nothing is free.
Nothing is free.
So the second well, these. When I saw this, I was just meditating.
When I saw this truth number. I'm dealing with these wells in order as they're in the Bible. I'm not mixing them up. 1, 2, 3. Just like they are. It's not like. Use this one over. Just so the first one is God.
I like to say the God of Hagar.
Something powerful about that.
I know Besher of Lahore, who knows what that is? But the. But the God of Hagar.
And my God sees me. He's with me.
Secondly, Abraham bought this well for five lambs.
And there's a little bit of a problem there. But the name of this well means covenant relationship.
I want you to see that number. Well, the first well deals with you and God.
No one else.
It's one on one.
This one deals with you and your brother and your sister.
I was amazed when I saw this unfolding for me.
Much misunderstanding, of course. Always misunderstanding. Is there. We're people. There'll always be misunderstanding. We have to believe the best. And so Abraham and Abimelech's people were having a problem there, and. And so it just came to the place where they wanted to separate. But Abraham showed up and bought the well and solved the problem. And so he said, let's. He said, in other words, let's be brethren.
Let's get over this. That's Abraham talking.
Let's get over this.
What you find is that people have something. They become territorial.
My.
My. Well, it's all mine.
I did this to the degree that you say you did it to that same degree. You'll be brokenhearted when God takes it away.
So start with God and say God did it. You can't lose.
You can't lose.
Talk to yourself.
When we first got married, we went to a place where there was no money. Zero.
But that's why God taught us faith.
That's why we live by faith.
We believe for huge things.
Go to New York. No one said he'd go with us. That's okay. God told us today we own, I mean, property, probably 35, $40 million in all. It's all an amazing thing. We started with nothing.
You see, when you start with nothing, it's all God.
It's all God.
Well, I don't know if we can afford that. That's how many churches operate. We looked at the budget. We can't afford. The budget is a faith killer. A faith killer. A Faith killer kills faith because you limit your faith to what you got in the bank when you're not looking to. To his bank.
These are lessons I have learned and. And. And the first one has to do with the knowing him personally. I've learned his voice.
I know when he speaks. Even when I was on campus, the building of the buildings that were there, and Mike was here. Mike. Mike Kavanaugh. And we were together, and Mike said, the church is growing, but we ought to. We ought to enlarge and. And. And. And take over the tabernacle. And. And we sat in a meeting, he and I, and the place was packed, and we said, no, no, we have to. We have to build. We got to go big.
That's where it took place.
So I talked to Elim board, and they were thrilled, and they gave 10 acres to buy this to build out here. You see? You see, if you want to limit yourself to what you see, you'll never be happy.
You never see in enough.
But Jesus, sweet Jesus, said, happy is he who believes before he sees.
Are you one of those, or are you constantly? Huh? Seeing is the American way. Seeing is believing. No, that's the American way.
Are you working on the American system?
When I went down to that little church where there's nothing there, I felt I get to work a little work.
So I went to the nearby.
There was a little wood shop that did a lot of woodwork and building windows. And I love to do that woodworking. So I went up there and I offered myself, oh, please come in. So I was working, building picture windows, you know, 20ft long, all kind of things.
And Brother Frink was here at the time. He had been our dean.
He had been a missionary in Nigeria and so on. But while I was working one day he sent me a little note, and he said, is God not able to take care of you?
Wow, you want to talk like that?
You know, you will know if you are a follower of Jesus or a disciple of Jesus by how Jesus talks to you.
If he tells you it's okay, my child, you're good, God will bless. You're a follower.
You're a follower. But if he turns around and says, get thee behind me, Satan, you know you're a disciple. Are you there?
You'll hear. These are lessons along the way, little lessons.
So I stopped working at that place. I stopped working. I said, God, that's it.
You're gonna pay. You're gonna pay our bills or we're gonna die, one or the other.
But I don't sit Around.
I'm not a sit around, you know, okay, God, I'm waiting on you. No, no, when you say that to God, God says, you know, get off your backside and start doing something.
So the well of covenant religion that happens at times like this, this is covenant. This is, this is, we can call this place Bathsheba, Beersheba right here, this is it. Meeting and having relationships, that's it. And we're digging that well and getting it right. And Phil talked to last night very, very well. If there's any junk got in that well, get it out and have communion and interact and get over it, move on.
But you don't know what she did. It's okay. God knows and he's telling you get over it. And he knows.
And if all you can take in your life is your tur. They really hurt you, you're still a follower.
Don't talk disciple to me.
A disciple gets it in the face.
Are you with me?
This is life. And I've raised up leaders all over the world.
Talked to them straight down in New York when we moved down, when the Lord gave me the vision to start the school in New York, I was in New York. I had taken an Ethiopian boy down to New York. He had to see somebody at Christmas time my parents were in New York City and so we went down to New York, took him down and I dropped him off. He gave me a paper and an address in Manhattan. I took them to the address and I said, sit in the car. I double parked the car and I went in, I said, I'm going to see if these people in here even waiting for you. I can't leave you, leave you there without knowing that they're waiting. I opened the door of this house, this building and I opened and the whole place was like full of Ethiopians. And I've been there Ethiopia quite a few times.
I turned around to walk back to my car. I walked around the back corner. I know exactly where it was, the back corner going into the car. And the Holy Spirit said, you will open a school for culture and urban. For urban and culture right there.
Whoa, look at that. Whoa. I should do I just go out and do it right now.
So we begin to pray.
This is a God. I'm in it. Whatever it takes, I'm in it.
And so after about two or three years, my brother in New York found the building that was to buy at that time it was 286,000 at that time.
Later on we, oh we anyway we make a lot of money in real estate.
And I was so offended recently when someone said, you really made. How much did you get?
I'm a disciple.
I get nothing.
I don't want anything.
To have his blessing is more important than your money.
More blessing. Much more blessing.
And so we were able to get that building.
No, we didn't get the building.
At that moment, we began to pray, and we had a building, and we're praying.
Never limit your vision to a vision to a building. But God said, this is the building.
Perfect building. Whole 35.
Had 35, 40, 35 rooms, had a little cafeteria. Everything that we needed was right there.
Exactly.
Of course, the windows were knocked out. That always comes with everything. We buy no windows.
And we began to pray. And Gloria and I were living right here.
Now, listen to me.
We prayed every Thursday and fasted.
And I told some students we're praying and fasting that God will open up the door to go down and follow through on the vision he gave us.
We prayed seven years.
I don't know where some of your heads are at. It doesn't happen in one day. It must not be God.
That is 10 years from the time he spoke to me to the time we got the building.
See, sometimes a little bit of perspective helps you to see where it's going.
Your hands and you go places and you get things. Yeah. After seven years of prayer. Did it.
I hope you're hearing something, because sometimes you do. You do yourself a disservice when you think it's going to happen tomorrow and you live with disappointment.
Let me throw this in right now. Years ago, an older woman, I would say she's 65.
You know, nowadays, to me, she's a young child.
But she came to Carl and Spencer and admissions board and said, I just.
Many years ago, I had the call of God on my life, and God called me to Africa.
Oh, and then I married. I think it was outside the will of God, but God helped me. He said, and he's a businessman. He worked for IBM.
He had a very good life, had lots of money, family and everything. But now my husband died, and I would like to return to that vision.
I think she was about 66, 67 years old.
No mission board's going to send anybody out like that.
She came out to Kenya and I said to her, what do you want to do?
What's on your mind?
Well, we began talking, and she came up with opening a reading room.
So they got a shop, little shop that was clean. And then she hired a carpenter. I'm using. I don't want to use Swahili words. She hired a fundi, a carpenter, to put shelves on the wall, got everything inside and set it up.
And every day she prayed down there and she cleaned it. And she hired an African pastor, Kenya pastor, who loved the Lord, was an evangelist, to just be there around. And students came in and they shared the gospel with them. And they had correspondence courses right there at the place they could fill and come back and learn more. And she's doing this little thing. She started at, like I said, 66 or whatever it was in about three or four years. Her time was up.
She was going home. And I said, how was it?
Was it worth it?
With tears in her face, she said, we led 1,250 people of Christ in that place.
We have their names. They took a correspondence course. They're saved.
Are you kidding me?
And you're writing yourself off? I can't do this. This can't thing doesn't exist in the kingdom of God.
That comes from the devil.
Start drawing your own lines and stay within your line. My wife said, I color outside the lines. No, I color in my lines.
Why should someone limit me to their level of faith? Because I've already faced God on many issues.
When I was going to draw the building in Nairobi and I wrote that nice square like that, I made it look like a cross on the ground. God would be pleased with that. I thought, you know. But he told me a total rebuke.
Don't ever try to tell me what I can build.
We build big.
God is big.
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