Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Peter: I see God very differently than I did the day that I got saved. And when I got saved, I had a real revelation of God.
It was wonderful and it was beautiful, but it was big letters and it was good. But I will tell you that every so often I get to a point and I say, lord, can you fill in some of the fine print for me?
[00:00:34] Leah: Welcome back to the well, An Elim Fellowship Leadership Podcast. I'm your host, Leah, Social media and marketing coordinator here at Elim Fellowship. Each episode we draw from the heart of our leadership community and share messages that refresh, challenge and equip you in your walk with Christ.
Today we're continuing with the conclusion of a powerful two part message from Peter Mayer at our Prophetic Ministry conference held this past August. If you missed part one, be sure to go back and listen. But for now, let's dive into the conclusion of this timely message.
[00:01:07] Peter: But here's the point about love.
I cannot possibly compare the quality of my love with God because as soon as I do that, I'm humbled and my mind is put in the right place.
And I am now before the Lord and saying, okay, Lord, you are the Lord, I am not. What do you want me to do? But that doesn't solve our problem because it's easy to have a scale of love when you deal with other people.
If you're going to have a scale of who is worthy of love and who is not worthy of love, whether you know it or not, out of your own mind and out of your own view you are judging.
You are no longer under the law of liberty.
The law of liberty. James talks about it both in chapter one and chapter two.
The Law of Liberty, the royal law, he calls it.
Go back to Deuteronomy.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. And what's the other part that Jesus repeats in the New Testament?
Love your neighbor as yourself, or Deuteronomy, do unto others in the manner in which you would have them treat and do unto you.
It's so simple, it's so profound, it's so impossible without the grace of God.
Okay, again, why do you keep coming back to this? Because without humility we quench the power of the Spirit, no matter how powerfully we look in the pulpit or when we minister.
Without humility. Because, can I say it this way, if you are ministering and serving the Lord, then the outcome of that every time is not only that, it is for the common good, but the outcome of that is supposed to be Are you ready that when you are serving the Lord, you are exalting the Christ who lives inside of you.
It is not self exaltation, it is our together exalting the Lord.
And when one person gets prophesied to. Can you see it this way? When one person gets prophesied to and they're strengthened, that strengthening is not just for them.
Open your ears. That strengthening is not just for them. Because none of us are alone.
There is one body. There is one new man.
Not Jews, not Greeks, one new man.
We're supposed to do good to all men, especially those who are of the household of faith.
You know, that should cut us. When we look at other people in other denominations and other people with different theological background, that should cut us.
That should make us say, oh, do good to all, especially those of the household of faith.
See, it is another way that whether we mean to or not, we think better of where we are and who we are, right?
Than thinking like this.
That those people, if they've made a confession of faith to Jesus Christ, they are children of God, just like all of us are.
Do you remember when Jesus prayed? He says to the father, father, here am I and the children you have given me. Isn't that beautiful?
When God looks down on us today, he, Jesus is up there. Here am I with the children you've given me.
Isn't that beautiful?
Okay, so I was preaching a couple weeks ago, and I told the young people, because they understand that and some of you will understand that too. We talked about the goat. You know, the goat greatest of all time. Because the kids right now are always talking about who's the goat in the sport that they play or wherever it is, who's the goat? And I said to them, please stop trying to be the goat in any area and especially spiritually, don't try to be the goat.
God already sent the goat. The greatest of all time. He will always be the greatest of all time. He will never be eclipsed. No one can come close to him. So how about we worship him and get a revelation of what he's like and operate out of that rather than trying to be like him, which is impossible for us to do. You see the power of. Don't you love the fact that God has given us the Holy Spirit? And the power of the Holy Spirit resides in us? Who? For what purpose? To transform us and to transform the church.
How many of you have tried really, really hard? Really, really, seriously, really, really?
You put your life on hold and you sacrificed and sacrificed and sacrificed to change one item in Your heart that you knew was not pleasing to your spouse or your friends or to God.
Anybody ever try that?
Doesn't work.
What works?
God's love works.
Okay, so let me finish.
Love never fails.
But where there are prophecies, they will cease.
I actually think a lot of Pentecostals are afraid of this passage.
Where there are prophecies, they will cease.
Where there are tongues, they will be stilled.
Where there is knowledge, it will pass away. Do you know that this passage just told us that God's love is higher than knowledge?
The human way is. You know, if I could understand, I would do it.
That's. That's the human way. If I. I need more knowledge.
No, you don't.
You need more of the anointing, of the revelation of who your Lord and Savior is with great, great love. Okay?
It will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. I used to read that. And of course, you know, there's many different interpretations to that. I'm just going to give me. Give you mine. You can agree or disagree, but listen, let's get it.
Listen to this. We know in part.
Can you say amen?
I know. See, this is where freedom is.
This is where freedom is.
Parents, leaders, people in jobs, people who are in ministry.
We fall back into thinking. We need to know it all. We need to see it all.
This portion has everything to do with the time of our current life. We don't know it all. We know some. How many of you are glad you know some?
Okay. We don't prophesy at all. We prophesied in parts. And can I. Can I tell you something?
You are happy that we don't prophesy at all.
You are happy if we will remain with what we are we heard and not enlarge it.
One of the biggest problems I've had in prophesying for people is when I give them what I have, and they look at me like, well, isn't there more?
And I want to scream. I want to say, well, if you'd receive what God gave you, then you would understand that if you seek him, he'd give you more.
But instead your face is showing me you didn't get what you wanted.
Since when is prophecy about getting what we wanted?
Everybody. Okay, so when the perfect comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child. I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
When the perfect comes, when the church is completed.
That's when the perfect comes. It's certainly not after he wrote this.
It's certainly not after he wrote Ephesians and talked about the perfection of the saints growing up into him who is the head.
Okay? So when the perfect comes, the imperfect disappears. In other words, when you and I at the end of the age, now we're. Now we're into hope. When you and I at the end of the age are all together with Jesus and all of the saints who he birthed through the forgiveness of Jesus Christ, his Son, when we are together with all of the saints, prophecy will disappear. Why?
We will not need it.
We will see him face to face. Tongues will disappear.
Okay? Because we shall see him as he is. And we shall be fully known, even as he fully knows us.
Now we see but a poor reflection, as in a mirror. Then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part. Then I shall know fully, even as I'm fully known. And now these three remain. Faith, hope and love.
Faith, hope and love.
Everything we do. These three remain. Did you hear the time frame?
Now we are.
We will be.
Okay.
And then he goes back to now these three remain.
Paul talks in Timothy about, you know, all about my teaching and my pattern of teaching.
You know all about my life. And he goes on and he says, timothy, I want you to guard the good deposit that is in you. Guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit. Do you know that each of you in the Lord have been given a deposit? I am just going to be bold and say to you that that deposit is absolutely the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit. When we confess Jesus, the Holy Spirit is the deposit of God that he has begun to invest in the lives that are born again. And that investment never ends. It grows.
And the truth is that investment is supposed to one bit at a time. Does it. Does it ever seem slow to you? It seems slow to me sometimes. But I already told you, I'm not a patient man. So you understand.
So maybe some of you have the same problem. But it seems slow to me sometimes. And sometimes when it is slow, I can go down a road and chastise myself or feel negative about myself, and that only becomes an excuse for me to do whatever I want to do.
Can I tell you that I have found out with God? He's never displeased with me.
He may not like some of the things I've done, but he's never displeased with the Peter Mayer who gave his commitment to Jesus and has been walking with Jesus and learning with Jesus day by day, moment by moment, these three remain.
Faith is in the now.
You need faith to live today. So do I.
I need faith to live today. That's why the encouragement of the word of God is so powerful to me. The encouragement of the spoken word, super powerful to me. A easy encouragement from a person I never knew.
Somebody last night, at the end of the thing, came up to me and just encouraged me, just literally said one little thing to me, noticed something that I did, which, to be frank with you, I would not have noticed it myself, showed me something that I did and talked to me about how meaningful it was to him and how lovely he felt it was.
And wow, how many times a day do you have to feel the Lord loving on you?
And. And I don't know how you all see things, but again, when I feel the pleasure of God as a result of obeying what he told me to do, and more because you don't see the. How many of you know, you don't see the results all the time.
God's very wise.
Sometimes I wonder. Sometimes I wonder where we are, like, in this, because I see lots of parents today and their children are the best thing since sliced bread. Everything they do is great. They're great in every area. They're fantastic. You go ahead, you go for it. There's some parental care that's missing there.
Okay?
Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled when God tells me, I love the way I made you. On the other hand, he's the artist.
He should love the way that he made us.
Our problem is we're still discovering what it's all about in the now. We're still in the now. So we need faith. Every day that he's with us, every day that he's progressing with us, every day, we need to be patient. Every day we need to be full of joy for what he's done.
And then there's hope.
The writer of Hebrews pictures hope as an anchor for the soul, which goes from your heart right into heaven, where Jesus is at the right hand of the Father.
It holds you to heaven. Do you ever feel hope tug on you when you're thinking about giving up, thinking about quitting?
Oh, how many times in the ministry, Philip, have I said, I'm done with this.
This is not fun, okay? And I don't want to make it a grind at all. I'm just. I'm telling you about my whining. I'm not. I'm not encouraging you to whine. I'm Just being honest. Okay? And. And honestly, I've never won that battle with the Lord.
And the Lord knows I'm never going to win that battle with Him. Because frankly, ministry is not a chore. I shouldn't be whining about it, even though sometimes it costs me. And it's going to cost me, it's going to cost you, but it's not a chore. It's actually the most fulfilling, delightful thing I have ever done in my entire life because I found what God made me for.
Prophecy is about you and I. The love of God is about you and I being founded enough upon him that we find the purpose for which he has called us and made us and is working in us.
If we will find the smallest piece of that, we will have more fulfillment than a million people in this world have ever experienced.
It is worth it is 100% worth it.
I do want to read you one more scripture.
But the sweet spot of prophecy which we've talked about is to build the body of Christ. It's to build individuals. It's to build the household.
And Pastor Phil talked quite a bit about how many of you know that prophetic people stir things up.
You know that, right?
That's the design.
You understand that when the. And. And by the way, it's the right design. When the word of God is spoken, when Jesus walked on the earth and pronounced the word of God to people, which he constantly did when he ministered, and in his actions and in his words. When that occurs, what happens?
People are forced to embrace the word of truth or they resist the word of truth. There is not any in between.
That's what takes place.
So again, the reality is.
And just listen to this verse, Paul's writing from prison to the Ephesians as a prisoner for the Lord, then I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you've received.
Now listen to this. Be completely humble and gentle. Be patient, bearing with one another in love, making every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one spirit. Just as you were called to one hope when you were called one. One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who's over all and through all and in all. I can never get past verse 2. Be completely humble and gentle. Be patient, bearing with one another in love.
We can have powerful gifts, and you can have powerful gifts, and you do.
Some not yet discovered. I understand that.
And no matter how far we get in this world, can I tell you when he calls our name and we depart this world.
We will immediately know.
We still don't know everything.
We didn't get all the way there until God took us out of this body.
That's just the reality.
The writer of Ecclesiastes says something like this, and it's a comment on real life. How many of you live in real life, even though you are spiritual creation of God? But we live in real life. And the writer of Ecclesiastes says, what has been will be again, for everything has already occurred.
But God will call the past to account, and that's the human life cycle, isn't it?
What has been will occur again.
All right. It's not like that with God.
That's a human statement. It's not like that with God. With the Lord.
His mercies are new every day.
My help cometh from the Lord who made the heavens and the earth.
Hallelujah.
He won't let your steps falter.
He'll protect you.
He'll be with you.
Let's stand for a minute.
I taught this because as much as it's important for us to have teaching and revelation about how prophecy works, it's important that we have a revelation of the love of Jesus that is ongoing. Can you say Amen to that?
I see God very differently than I did the day that I got saved. And when I got saved, I had a real revelation of God.
It was wonderful and it was beautiful, but it was.
It was big letters and it was good. But I will tell you that every so often I get to a point and I say, lord, can you fill in some of the fine print for me?
I don't.
I want to be in the place where you hold me.
How many of you want to be in the place where the love of God holds you?
Now, these three remain. Faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.
And this is love.
Not that we love God, but that God loved us and gave his Son as the propitiation for all of our sins in this, his love. See, when I measure my love, I'm doing myself an injustice.
And I'll probably do you an injustice.
But the love of God is not measurable.
Paul prays in Ephesians, chapter three, and he mentions Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He says, he prays that the Holy Spirit will give the Ephesians the power to grasp the love of Jesus Christ, to grasp the height, depth, width and breadth of his love which surpasses understanding.
Father, let that be our hope. Let that be our yearning today that we would be firmly planted and planted again and planted again in the love of our Lord Jesus Christ, so that we are literally encompassed by you who are our Lord and our King.
We want no escape, Lord.
We want to be completely covered by your love.
We trust you to do it for us. In Jesus name.
Amen.
[00:24:30] Leah: Thanks for joining us for the well and Elim Fellowship Leadership Podcast. We hope you were encouraged and strengthened by this two part session from one of our key speakers, Peter Mayer, at our Prophetic Ministry Conference.
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